Thank you for this post! I hope that the continued awareness efforts make a difference.
> Not only did we find the activity to be an authentic, truly grassroots phenomenon, but it represented some of the most fervent organic activity we have ever seen on the front page in all of Reddit’s twelve year history.
I am skeptical. It strains my credulity to think all these threads from all these states organically hit the front page at the same time. My intuition tells me that this was a submission campaign orchestrated by the KeepTheNetFree.org and BattleForTheNet.com people at [Demand Progress](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand_Progress
), [the Free Press Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Press
_\(organization\)), and [Fight for the Future](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_for_the_Future
) that was promoted by reddit admins here:
This is not a complete listing of all the threads that were created that day, but these are the ones that hit the top 100 of r/all that my scraper picked up. If you examine these user's submissions, there are other threads that didn't hit the rising lottery. Also, if you read r/undelete many of these threads were removed by moderators for various reasons, but they were all re-approved later.
I stopped with Senator Dog, because that's when people started to jump on the bandwagon.
My scraper tracks [scores](https://i.imgur.com/2Wzh3ed.png
) and [ranks](https://i.imgur.com/zuMTfIr.png
) over time. It's something of a hobby.
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I seriously cannot understand users on reddit who don’t support Net Neutrality. Responses like “I doubt it will be that bad” and “oh Reddit is just over reacting” are mind boggling.
Unless your dad owns Comcast or you are a literal ISP inhabiting the form of a human, having Net Neutrality repealed will be bad for you.
>not labeling your axes
What is with the growing trend of tech blog posts throwing up graphs without labeled Y axes? Even worse when there might be 4+ lines with no labels.
THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE:
In any given situation, there are certain strategies that will be effective, and certain strategies that will be ineffective. The ISPs want this. The FCC wants this. The federal government wants this.
However, we will only lose if the collective we allows us to lose. If we all really want net neutrality, we need to show them that we aren't messing around. The only way to show them that is to threaten to cut your ISP subscription on a certain date if they do not abandon this agenda, and if they do not abandon the agenda, you and about 10 million people need to cancel their subscriptions immediately. Think about it. That's $600 million every month we maintain a boycott. But we need numbers in the millions. We need those numbers to place their names on a list as a petition and a pledge, a *true and honest pledge* (not like that worthless DARE pledge you took in gradeschool).
[So, to save Net Neutrality, you'll have to DO IT YOURSELF! Sign the petition to pledge to boycott Your ISP, AND request the resignation of Ajit Pai!](http://chn.ge/2zgjW8o
I hate to say it, but if this doesn't work, you might as well consider your Net Neutrality gone. The petition to the White House is nice, but it lacks a pledge and a call to action. Beyond that, Trump appointed Pai. This is Pai's entire purpose.
My question is what's the next step if the FCC repeals it? There has to be a huge number of lawsuits coming from this.
Not to be a "that guy", as I obviously am full-tilt for net neutrality both remaining and becoming stronger and more securely ensconced..
.. but in light of the "Correct the Record," the international manipulation, the shilling.. it's bold as all fuck to proclaim Reddit to be some kind of gold standard of genuine communication. Until the admins take some concerted effort against corporate, political, and other _dangerous_ efforts to manipulate conversations and create controversy, talking points, marketing interest, etc. that don't exist.. this site is far from what it was, should be, or could be again.
That there has been no such broad, wide-reaching effort really just makes me feel like it's because it generates revenue for Reddit in some fashion. It's the only real reason that it makes sense to just blithely ignore it.
I'll say it again and you all can ignore it again and we can all lose Net Neutrality because of it:
Violence is a tool used by many American heroes, civil rights advocates, ect. Violence created the Unions that stop employers from abusing you. Violence freed the slaves. Violence was a part of equal rights for Race and Gender. Violence stopped the Nazis and saved millions of lives. Violence created our Country and maintained it.
It is a tool and in some situations it is the best tool for the job. This is one of those situations because all other avenues have been exhausted and the powers of the government themselves are being abused.
So there it is. There is the solution.
I know you all won't listen and I know we will lose Net Neutrality because of it. I hope your ego and pretentious morality was worth us losing one of the greatest wonders of the human world. My resentment is no longer just for the corrupt human garbage that pushed against Net Neutrality, but also now for all of you who allowed it to happen just because you didn't want to get dirty to clean up the filth.
Downvotes to the left, losers.
How are we meant to take any of this seriously when you guys botted the numbers of all these sticky posts to the sky & beyond? We had sub's where there were an average of under 150 visitors at any time and the NN sticky had cracked 10K upvotes in less than an hour.....
Doesn't this sort of Admin and Spez-driven garbage actually completely compromise subjects like this and completely work against the cause? I mean, the story is so laughable it actually compares massive public interest events like the McGregor/Mayweather fight and the social media activity around it, to how little that was compared to every dead sub here suddenly having 10K-100K+ Net Neutrality sticky posts............
Could you guys maybe just stick to the actual issues and flesh it out from both sides of the argument? No one actually wants NN laws gutted, obviously. But at this stage it's extremely hard for anyone without knowledge to really figure out what gutting current Net Neutrality regulations actually does and doesn't do, because most of the protections being discussed here aren't even current existing protections as it is.
Just a question. But say NN gets up held and everyone dances in the street. Nerds make out. We throw a party. “We did it reddit” memes everywhere.
If the FCC is still a shill for big business and ISPs. Who enforced the laws and holds the companies to the fire if they do try to do some underhanded stuff? Hasn’t there already been numerous counts of ISPs of throttling traffic, cutting certain accesses and promoting certain sites over others already?
Wouldn’t this become a law no one enforces? Like jaywalking or something?
>All voting patterns around this activity registered as organic according to the factors we constantly monitor to help us surface and neutralize spam and bot efforts
Can you elaborate on that?
Whenever I read economic papers on the net neutrality debate, it is always argued, that ISPs would discriminate against Content providers like Facebook, Netflix, Youtube in case of non net neutrality measures. Because the onternet access market is a two-sided market and charging either internet users or content providers yields cross-group effects (i.e. discriminating against internet users -> incentive for them to switch to another ISP or boycott ISPs in general -> lesser incentive for Content providers to innovate/provide new/ more content -> less content for internet users -> less internet users (and so on))
ISPs will probably charge these Content providers in a non net neutrality scenario (which also can have bad indirect effects on us internet users but doesnt necessarily have to).
I understand that every interner user wishes to maintain neutrality (especially since ISPs seem to do good even with neutrality) but I feel like ISPs wouldnt discriminate against internet users as displayed in all these worst-case scenarios displayed here (what certainly is a major reason for this outcry of net neutrality proponents)
Nothing like a reddit blog post at midnight EST
Here from Canada, I wish my American neighbours to the south all the luck in convincing the FCC to maintain net neutrality. I'm rooting for you all, and I wish I could do more to help.
Coordinated spam across many subs overwhelming /r/all = Activism now. For some reason I have a feeling that would be harshly dealt with if other groups tried it with their pet issues.
Does this include the obvious botting and vote manipulation of small subs reaching the front of /r/all?
No one has told me a clear answer about these things.
Google bans Amazon from selling some of its apps.
Apple bans Google from putting its apps on its tech.
ISPs throttle Netflix and other users already
Reddit bans T_Donald from the front page
So tell me again what exactly is going to change and why I should care.
does your “analysis” include how all sorts of tiny subs all seemed to make it to the top of the front page at the same time, totally organically and not in violation of Reddit rules regarding vote manipulation?
There is something seriously wrong with the methodology behind this analysis. They posed the thesis:
>we wanted to look into the pro-net neutrality activity on the site to make sure that Reddit wasn’t being gamed by outside actors looking to manipulate our platform.
It's good reddit is looking at people attempting to manipulate their platform. It's ridiculously easy to buy accounts and upvotes through simple google searches. Quite a few marketing firms have admitted to attempting manipulation to promote sponsored content.
>The results... we find the activity to be an authentic, truly grassroots phenomenon
Huh. They presented their conclusion immediately after their introduction. Well, I look forward to reading below how they came to that conclusion... wait a moment, they didn't say how they reached their conclusion. They just wrote about when the posts where made and how many upvotes hours after initial posting, which the word "organic" sprinkled in occasionally.
They failed to provide a causal logic chain explaining how they extrapolated their conclusion from the data they used. They made no mention of how paid upvotes and sponsored content is tracked, and reddit has gone on record stating manipulation of content in favour of reddit has never happened.
I want the old reddit back. The one from before Hitler Pao was a thing.
Honest question, do the mods give the main posts gold themselves, or is it someone else? Genuinely curious. It seems odd for someone to gift an admin gold (other than the fact it helps a tiny bit in keeping the site running)
Yeah I'm sure it was totally authentic, and I totally trust your assessment. I mean, you said it *twice* in this post, so it must be true, even though you've provided no detail whatsoever as to how that conclusion was reached, and even though it was the single most obvious astroturfing effort in history.
What a load of bullshit. When the site is spammed with activism posts it's anything but organic. I swear redditors will believe anything.
This is a war between big, greedy, advert driven data companies that censor dissenting opinions and ISPs. Reddit, coincidentally a large data company, has their user base brainwashed into thinking it's about all of you and your liberties.
I want to just say this is not an attack on the actual issue here.
A lot, but not all, of the accounts that posted on local subreddits about their congressmen had been inactive for months and then used for this. It feels like they were karma farmed accounts. What do the admins have to say about this?
Calling bullshit on the "organic" voting on the "This is my senator..." posts. Other major news outlets detailed this as well, but the posts appeared over a very short period of time, and all reached their subreddits front page in exceedingly short time. It is suspect, regardless of origin location of the post.
And this is coming from a guy whose stuck under Grassley, and gave him a nice empty bottle of mead.
What’a the point of this blog post? I support net neutrality but don’t get what the conclusion of this post is.
Activism? Admins orchestrated everything and made it look like it was organic. It feels extremely hollow to celebrate net neutrality while Reddit is overrun by shills and astroturfing, much of it involving admins.
>Reddit has investigated reddit and found no wrong doing
Well pack it up here boys im convinced. All those hundred subscriber subs must have just magically gotten popular.
And while I'm posting in /r/blog, any comment from reddit admins regarding the strategic partnership with Sprinklr.com?
I find it thoroughly amusing that reddit would [announce their partnership with sprinklr on twitter](https://mashable.com/2017/12/07/reddit-sprinklr-sold-its-soul-to-brand-engagement-customer-care/
) but not on reddit itself. Nothing on /r/blog or /r/announcements yet.
> Reddit’s integration into the Sprinklr platform includes the following benefits:
> * **Comprehensive customer care and engagement:** Analyze topic-specific pages for relevant and actionable insights on customer care issues. Automatically route service issues to the correct agent and send and receive private Reddit messages, images and links, all within Sprinklr. Easily participate in relevant conversation by publishing to subreddits.
> * **Strategic product development:** Access real time and historical data around trends, audience reactions, and key topics across the Reddit community. Reveal consumer opinions that improve decisions around product development.
> * **Effective crisis communications:** Listen to, monitor and analyze conversations in real time including warnings about potentially damaging messages for early response and mitigation.
> * **Personalized marketing:** Anticipate how audiences – including competitors’ audiences – will react to new advertising campaigns, events and marketing content.
> * **Powerful collaboration at scale:** Brands can now reach, engage and listen to their customers on an unmatched number of social channels – more than 25 – on Sprinklr’s unified platform.
Thanks for selling us all bullshit. The threat of a "tiered internet" already exists under current law:
>For one thing, the Obama Administration itself made clear that curated Internet packages are lawful in the United States under the Commission’s 2015 rules. That’s right: the conduct described in a graphic that is currently being spread around the Internet is currently allowed under the previous Administration’s Title II rules. So, for example, if broadband providers want to offer a $10 a month package where you could only access a few websites like Twitter and Facebook, they can do that today. Indeed, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals recently pointed out that net neutrality rules don’t prohibit these curated offerings.
This act by Pai doesn't make it possible, it's **already legal** to have a tiered internet.
EDIT: [Here's the court ruling confirming this.](https://i.redd.it/awh6q7axx1101.png
You know when a company has to create an article stressing how 'organic' and non sponsored a movement was on their website that it was definitely coordinated by special interest money or completely manufactured. I'm not buying that dozens of random 1000 person subreddits 'organically' created identical posts at the same time that got 100k upvotes. At the very least organized special interest group(s) or Reddit itself seeded these posts initially. Net neutrality is worth fighting for but shady spammy shit that likely went on shouldn't happen on social media regardless of the cause
the reason why I stayed off r/all the last couple of weeks because this whole issue is getting extremely spammy
Reddit activism is like jerking off and thinking you just had sex
There is an insane confirmation bias here.
It was astroturfed to all hell. Being proud of this is waving a giant flag saying "The rules only apply selectively here."